Spaztecs Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 5:46 PM, Chalsean said: MWC is better than Tarleton Apparently not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:22 PM, nvspuds said: The tv deal we have now values each of us around 3 million bucks. Maybe the next deal will hold us at that value. Will they value FCS startups that high? Let's say they value them at 500 grand each. That would add up to 25 million split 10 ways instead of 8. Better than nothing, I guess.. Until we have a valid conference our “TV deal” after the 25-26 academic year will be zero. Yes, any money is, in fact, literally better than no money at all. The path you are suggesting is just not a viable one. I mean I don’t know what else to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:23 PM, Spaztecs said: Dumb move. They are FBS ready. They have budgets and funding in place to carry the required Scholarships and Sports. Plus, they play baseball. I would take them happily. I would guess when Texas State said no the Raggies started looking much more shiny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTanked Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:25 PM, SalinasSpartan said: Until we have a valid conference our “TV deal” after the 25-26 academic year will be zero. Yes, any money is, in fact, literally better than no money at all. The path you are suggesting is just not a viable one. I mean I don’t know what else to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharkTanked Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:26 PM, nvspuds said: I would take them happily. I would guess when Texas State said no the Raggies started looking much more shiny Maybe NMSU leaked the Tarleton rumor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:25 PM, SalinasSpartan said: Until we have a valid conference our “TV deal” after the 25-26 academic year will be zero. Yes, any money is, in fact, literally better than no money at all. The path you are suggesting is just not a viable one. I mean I don’t know what else to say. So your position is if the 8 full member schools including all sports Hawaii don't add new members the next deal will be zero? I just want to understand your position. 8 is a viable conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 5:50 PM, CO_Reb said: Can't believe the MWC is in a state where it can't even poach Texas State. It's not that TexState rejected the MW as not worthy. TSU is more than likely looking for a spot in the AAC where there are more Texas and Louisiana Schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 5:50 PM, CO_Reb said: Can't believe the MWC is in a state where it can't even poach Texas State. It's not that TexState rejected the MW as not worthy. TSU is more than likely looking for a spot in the AAC where there are more Texas and Louisiana Schools. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 5:50 PM, CO_Reb said: Can't believe the MWC is in a state where it can't even poach Texas State. It's not that TexState rejected the MW as not worthy. TSU is more than likely looking for a spot in the AAC where there are more Texas and Louisiana Schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:30 PM, Spaztecs said: It's not that TexState rejected the MW as not worthy. TSU is more than likely looking for a spot in the AAC where there are more Texas and Louisiana Schools. That is a reasonable take on their part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:29 PM, nvspuds said: So your position is if the 8 full member schools including all sports Hawaii don't add new members the next deal will be zero? I just want to understand your position. 8 is a viable conference. JFC. I have never figured out how to quote multiple posts from different pages on a phone, so here is the text of the post of yours on page 328 of this thread I initially responded to that started this conversation: If the MW stands pat with this UTEP add and Hawaii football only, they can ride that out until 2028 (presuming they are granted a waiver ala the Pac 2). I was responding to you advocating for Hawaii ONLY as a football member, not an all sports member. If you had said add Hawaii as a full member THEN stand pat, this conversation would have never taken place, or at least my response would have been completely different. So why don’t you tell me what you are advocating for, because it is unclear. Are you wanting Hawaii as a football only school and standing pat with that? Or do you want Hawaii as a FULL member and only then do we stand pat? Because my response is different depending on which one it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:36 PM, SalinasSpartan said: JFC. I have never figured out how to quote multiple posts from different pages on a phone, so here is the text of the post of yours on page 328 of this thread I initially responded to that started this conversation: If the MW stands pat with this UTEP add and Hawaii football only, they can ride that out until 2028 (presuming they are granted a waiver ala the Pac 2). I was responding to you advocating for Hawaii ONLY as a football member, not an all sports member. If you had said add Hawaii as a full member THEN stand pat, this conversation would have never taken place, or at least my response would have been completely different. So why don’t you tell me what you are advocating for, because it is unclear. Are you wanting Hawaii as a football only school and standing pat with that? Or do you want Hawaii as a FULL member and only then do we stand pat? Because my response is different depending on which one it is. I was thinking Hawaii as a full member. The Pac 12 was the Pac 8 for a long time. The Big 12 was the Big 8 for decades. It is not ideal but it works.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalinasSpartan Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:39 PM, nvspuds said: I was thinking Hawaii as a full member. The Pac 12 was the Pac 8 for a long time. The Big 12 was the Big 8 for decades. It is not ideal but it works.. Ok well I don’t know why you didn’t say that in the beginning, would have saved us a lot of time. Anyway I only have two thoughts on that. One, we just don’t know if Hawaii wants to be a full member. And two, I think we should go to 10. It’s a better size for a conference since we can do full round robin in football and basketball, and it gives us more security for the next round of realignment. I suspect that the TV people will probably prefer 10 schools to 8 because it’s more inventory, but obviously I have no way of knowing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 6:48 PM, nvspuds said: Well, to be fair, the defector 4 came as a pretty big surprise. Stealth is not bad.. As did the Utags. That was definitely out of left field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvspuds Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:45 PM, SalinasSpartan said: Ok well I don’t know why you didn’t say that in the beginning, would have saved us a lot of time. Anyway I only have two thoughts on that. One, we just don’t know if Hawaii wants to be a full member. And two, I think we should go to 10. It’s a better size for a conference since we can do full round robin in football and basketball, and it gives us more security for the next round of realignment. I suspect that the TV people will probably prefer 10 schools to 8 because it’s more inventory, but obviously I have no way of knowing that. That may have been the plan with NIU and Toledo but may have been contingent on getting Texas State with UTEP to provide something of a bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 6:54 PM, SharkTanked said: UNLV has expressed some concerns about the conference footprint moving too far east. Not sure how they would view the Dakotas and MAC schools. Who would have ever thought that UNLV would ever be the Overlords of a Conference ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 7:24 PM, SharkTanked said: No idea. Could be a huge expense. But is it more than the competitive blast to our SOS by adding an NMSU in all sports? Or hoping and praying that an FCS could join as full.member? We have a proven FBS all sports member halfway in the club already. Hopefully someone smarter than me is looking really hard at the numbers. Most likely the subject was broached and UH said no to full membership. Had they wanted it, it would have happened during the MOU period. The pickings are getting slimmer. Like the Pac they need to bite the bullet and add NMSU. They gotta have their number first. Then add either the Dakota's or the Macs for FB only. It's the smartest move left on the Board 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaztecs Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 7:25 PM, evilpoke said: So, the remaining realistic options for full-time members that appear to be interested include: - Sac State - Tarleton - NMSU Am I missing anyone? (Please note - you must play football to be full-time - no GC, St Mary's, etc.) Are Utah Tech and Southern Utah FBS yet ? Outside of that, the pickings are slim and none. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeper86 Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 9:49 PM, nvspuds said: That may have been the plan with NIU and Toledo but may have been contingent on getting Texas State with UTEP to provide something of a bridge. Quit freaking out and spazzing, Spud, or you’ll be like this @Spaztecs dude and his inability to realize saturating message boards with worthlessness renders him, well, totally worthless , but really, really annoying as sheet!!! Don’t be like @Spaztecs , @nvspuds! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawaiiMongoose Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 On 10/1/2024 at 6:57 PM, Spaztecs said: Most likely the subject was broached and UH said no to full membership. Had they wanted it, it would have happened during the MOU period. The pickings are getting slimmer. Like the Pac they need to bite the bullet and add NMSU. They gotta have their number first. Then add either the Dakota's or the Macs for FB only. It's the smartest move left on the Board I can confidently tell you that did not happen. Our AD was quite clear about that when interviewed shortly after the MOU was signed. The entire discussion assumed Hawaii would be signing the MOU as a football-only member. He also said that the question of Hawaii becoming a full MWC member might come up later on, and if so Hawaii would consider it. As I think I mentioned in a previous post, he's on record publicly stating that he thinks UH should opt for full MWC membership if given the opportunity. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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