The Atlantic: The Kamala Harris Problem

[RSF]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:35 PM, Nevada Convert said:

I’ll give you a call if I care. 

Poor Connie...

[BYUcougfan]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:58 PM, Akkula said:

So they "tried" but did not actually nominate said candidate.   Is that your argument?

Not tried to.  They were going to do it until the debate.  Their intent only counts if they got away with it?  Is that YOUR argument?

[bornontheblue]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:55 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Accountants should be better at math.  The SOTU was 4.5 months ago.  4.5 < 6.

No, what I have repeatedly said is that there is a likelihood both Biden and Trump are both in Stage 2 AD based on ages, normal life progression, and the observable pauses/incompletion of thoughts and sentences.  I've also said Biden's decline is more physical and it's apparent that it came somewhat swiftly.  We know that probably most objectively from foreign leader observations.  We don't know the exact time frame, and may never even w/the hindsight of history.  That's true for Reagan even now. 

If you have never watched Reagan's Spring 1988 Moscow addresses when he was most certainly farther down the AD path, they are pretty remarkable.  Old men can rise to the occasion until they can't.  Trump never could.  That's the difference. 

So you think he had rapid mental decline in what, like the last three weeks? I am sorry but it has been apparent that he was on a sharp decline since 2020, and it accelerated in 2024. 

I know this is a touch subject for you because you invested so much time into believing he was 100 percent with it. You were easily manipulated. 

[Akkula]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:00 PM, BYUcougfan said:

Not tried to.  They were going to do it until the debate.  Their intent only counts if they got away with it?  Is that YOUR argument?

I am done with this silliness. 

[BYUcougfan]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:02 PM, Akkula said:

I am done with this silliness. 

You should be.  You look idiotic.

[bornontheblue]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:31 PM, AlpineSummer said:

The point was Biden's decline is mostly physical,

[Akkula]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:02 PM, BYUcougfan said:

You should be.  You look idiotic.

No, please go with that attack to try to derail Kamala.

[bornontheblue]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:31 PM, AlpineSummer said:

That wasn't the point.  The point was Biden's decline is mostly physical, and its steepness is more recent than years back.  In '23, he held court at the G7 in Japan w/o foreign perceptions of some major decline.  He was still doing 90 mt. bike rides. But, the obvious recent decline all bleeds into the perception of his mental capacities, but perceptions are not reality despite the old saying.

I've said for some time that both old candidates, one now out, are most likely in Stage 2 of AD based on their ages, normal aging progression, and public observations like both breaking/losing trains of thought.  

All I'm doing is pointing out the folly of Biden has been a potatoe (Quayle preferred spelling) for years and there was a conspiracy to hide it.  There is no objective basis for that.  He's an old man acting and regressing as old men will do.  One down, one to go. 

 

You are a stubborn old man and now I am beginning to question your mental competence. 

I know its hard to admit you were way off but Jesus dude. 

[USUrobert]

On 7/22/2024 at 3:38 PM, Akkula said:

What policies of hers do you find so objectionable or what has she said or done to draw your ire?  Is it just because she has a D next to her name? 

As has been covered extensively already, her record as AG shows huge character flaws at best. 

When it comes to policy, she'll likely be the same as any war hawk centrist Dem that would replace her on the ticket. 

[masterfrog]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:56 PM, SleepingGiantFan said:

Ranked by whom?

GovTrack

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:59 PM, RSF said:

Poor Connie...

WTF? 🤣

[BYUcougfan]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:04 PM, Akkula said:

No, please go with that attack to try to derail Kamala.

She will have to deal with it.  She can just say that they tried to run someone who was incompetent, but we were not successful so it is all good.  That should work.  Then, using the Akkula school of logic, MTG can get up and say Trump was not an insurrectionist because he only tried to be one.  He did not actually succeed.

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:00 PM, bornontheblue said:

So you think he had rapid mental decline in what, like the last three weeks? I am sorry but it has been apparent that he was on a sharp decline since 2020, and it accelerated in 2024. 

I know this is a touch subject for you because you invested so much time into believing he was 100 percent with it. You were easily manipulated. 

You just confused what number is greater 4.5 or 6 so I wouldn't be so sure of your own mental abilities. 

And, if a sharp decline started in 2020, how did Biden fool all the foreign leaders last fall?  How could he have possibly given the March 2024 SOTU speech sparring with Republican hecklers and rope-a-doping them easy-peasy. I mean, they must be pretty incompetent to get their ears boxed by a potatoe-brain. lol

Come up with some objective medical evidence that Biden was in steep decline in 2020.  I'm sure you will be as prompt as Convert in providing that evidence. 

[Akkula]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:09 PM, BYUcougfan said:

She will have to deal with it.  She can just say that they tried to run someone who was incompetent, but we were not successful so it is all good.  That should work.  Then, using the Akkula school of logic, MTG can get up and say Trump was not an insurrectionist because he only tried to be one.  He did not actually succeed.

You are still trying to attack Joe Biden but you have Kamala Harris in front of you as the nominee. I know you guys don't have a narrative yet.  Dont worry I am sure by next week you will have a new Benghazi or Hunter Biden.  Some long lost cousin will come out of the woodwork to give you another fact free narrative that Kamala has been taking bribes from Taiwan or something.

[masterfrog]

On 7/22/2024 at 3:14 PM, Akkula said:

You are still trying to attack Joe Biden but you have Kamala Harris in front of you as the nominee. I know you guys don't have a narrative yet.  Dont worry I am sure by next week you will have a new Benghazi or Hunter Biden.  Some long lost cousin will come out of the woodwork to give you another fact free narrative that Kamala has been taking bribes from Taiwan or something.

She is the nominee now?  I missed that vote. 

[Akkula]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:10 PM, AlpineSummer said:

You just confused what number is greater 4.5 or 6 so I wouldn't be so sure of your own mental abilities. 

And, if a sharp decline stated in 2020, how did Biden fool all the foreign leaders last fall?  How could he have possibly given the March 2024 SOTU speech sparring with Republican hecklers and rope-a-doping them easy-peasy. I mean, they must be pretty incompetent to get there ears boxed by a potatoe-brain. lol

Come up with some objective medical evidence that Biden was in steep decline in 2020.  I'm sure you will be as prompt as Convert in providing that evidence. 

The MAGA cult will believe anything.  This whole thing falls flat with swing voters who just got their wish for Biden to be replaced.  For conjobs this is their wost nightmare.

[masterfrog]

On 7/22/2024 at 3:16 PM, Akkula said:

The MAGA cult will believe anything.  This whole thing falls flat with swing voters who just got their wish for Biden to be replaced.  For conjobs this is their wost nightmare.

I don’t think Harris is their worst nightmare. There are others that might be, but not Harris. In fact, I would say if Biden was going to be replaced, she would be the one they would prefer. 

[BYUcougfan]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:14 PM, Akkula said:

You are still trying to attack Joe Biden but you have Kamala Harris in front of you as the nominee. I know you guys don't have a narrative yet.  Dont worry I am sure by next week you will have a new Benghazi or Hunter Biden.  Some long lost cousin will come out of the woodwork to give you another fact free narrative that Kamala has been taking bribes from Taiwan or something.

Deflect all you want.  At some point, she will be forced to go on the record for what she knew and when she knew it.

[bornontheblue]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:10 PM, AlpineSummer said:

You just confused what number is greater 4.5 or 6 so I wouldn't be so sure of your own mental abilities. 

And, if a sharp decline stated in 2020, how did Biden fool all the foreign leaders last fall?  How could he have possibly given the March 2024 SOTU speech sparring with Republican hecklers and rope-a-doping them easy-peasy. I mean, they must be pretty incompetent to get there ears boxed by a potatoe-brain. lol

Come up with some objective medical evidence that Biden was in steep decline in 2020.  I'm sure you will be as prompt as Convert in providing that evidence. 

I get it. You don't want to admit you were manipulated into believing Biden was 100 percent. 

There is plenty of evidence going back to the 2020 primaries that the guy had lost his fastball. What were periodic episodes of mental decline in 2021, are now normal days for Biden in 2024. 

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/joe-biden-age-condition-before-election-drop-out-c9fc46ef

 

President Biden had just finished trying to persuade a group of congressional Democrats to pass a $1 trillion infrastructure bill when Nancy Pelosi, then the House speaker, took the microphone.

In 30 minutes of remarks on Capitol Hill, Biden had spoken disjointedly and failed to make a concrete ask of lawmakers, according to Democrats in the room. After he left, a visibly frustrated Pelosi told the group she would articulate what Biden had been trying to say, one lawmaker said. 

“It was the first time I remember people pretty jarred by what they had seen,” recalled Rep. Dean Phillips (D., Minn.), who would go on to mount an unsuccessful primary challenge against the president. 

That was October 2021. That month was the last time Biden met with the House Democratic caucus on the Hill regarding legislation.

At the Group of Seven summit in England in June 2021, the first of Biden’s presidency, he repeatedly mixed up Syria and Libya at a news conference. The errors drew little attention as world leaders focused on celebrating Biden’s arrival. “It is great to have a U.S. president who’s part of the club,” said French President Emmanuel Macron after meeting with Biden.

Confused on G-7 call

In spring 2022, some European officials began to notice that something might be amiss. Biden was chairing an online video call on Ukraine with the G-7 leaders, a tightly scheduled discussion where Biden called on one leader at a time to give a statement. Sitting in the Oval Office, Biden at one point forgot to unmute his mic, then lost his train of thought and began mumbling, according to an official on the call. He appeared to lose the order of which leader should speak next, and then tried to end the call without calling on Macron. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau intervened to remind him, and Macron was given his turn.

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:16 PM, Akkula said:

The MAGA cult will believe anything.  This whole thing falls flat with swing voters who just got their wish for Biden to be replaced.  For conjobs this is their wost nightmare.

Illusory Truth Effect on full display here.  Biden is in decline.  It's mostly physical by all objective known measures, but it does affect perceptions of mental abilities. And, there is evidence of Biden's decline there.  Not just the debate, but in many appearances where he loses his train of thought and does not complete sentences.  

But, the "conspiracy for four years" thing has no basis in objective evidence. It makes no logical sense. It has, however been the rightwing drumbeat for 4+ years so people assume it's true w/o thinking.  All they need are a few selective video clips while ignoring all other evidence.  Of course, Biden is also a criminal mastermind at the same time. lol.