The Atlantic: The Kamala Harris Problem

[masterfrog]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:33 PM, Akkula said:

Why are you guys still trying to punch at Biden?  I know you wish he was still running but he isn't.  "Biden is old" just lost its impact,  no?

No, because the presumptive nominee had been involved in a big coverup. 

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:03 PM, RSF said:

That's a lame attempt even by your standards....

I’ll give you a call if I care. 

[Chile_Ute]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:27 PM, BYUcougfan said:

If they told me he went from more good days than bad days in February to more bad days than good days by June, I could buy that.  I am not buying they had no idea in February.

My guess is the rate of decline is what surprised them.  Prior it may have still been slow enough they were hoping to parlay it into a 4 year term….or once back in office step away/kick out and plug Harris in.

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:02 PM, AlpineSummer said:

You should show yer work then.  I didn't see any, and a quick scroll through relevant threads did not reveal any ripping of Vance last night. 

It's possible you are a fibber.  A bullshitter.  So, show yer work.  And, even if you do have one example, it hardly balances the multiple ranting posts on Trump's opponents.  Hell, you even started an anti-Harris thread last night.  I don't see you starting a "JD is a phony" threads. 

Show yer work. 

It was a response to Go State green infection. And LOL that you actually spent time checking. And then you still couldn’t find it. 

[Akkula]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:33 PM, Nevada Convert said:

They’re a super sensitive bunch. I hate Trump, but why do I have to be OK with that disaster, Kamala, being president to be able to hate Trump? 

What policies of hers do you find so objectionable or what has she said or done to draw your ire?  Is it just because she has a D next to her name? 

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:23 PM, BYUcougfan said:

There are videos of him wondering around on stages and having problems well before the SOTU.  We disagree.  I think they knew there was a problem for quite some time. 

Old men have good days and tough days.  Even younger folks do.  Biden in '20 was observably physically diminished from his early/mid-VP years.  But, like I said, his SOTU '24 speech, the fall '23 G7 summit, and 90 mt. bike rides where he banters w/reporters as he spins past are all signs Biden wasn't a mashed potatoe brain for years before.  I mean, Mike Johnson couldn't even continue his introduction when the teleprompter went out in Milwaukee and I haven't heard calls that he needs gravy poured over his head. 

[bornontheblue]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:38 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Biden wasn't a mashed potatoe brain for years before.  

So you admit that he has been mashed potato brains for at least the last 6 months then? 

[thelawlorfaithful]

On 7/22/2024 at 9:52 AM, AlpineSummer said:

Biden's decline is mostly physical.  It's also obviously come more swiftly of recent.  There's not a poster here who could have given his SOTU speech just four+ months back even with two teleprompters and stacks of notes.  Well, maybe @East Village Poltergeist or Joe if he went into training.  There's no conspiracy.   Fuck, just think of 1944 if you want a health coverup. 

Every poster here could talk extemporaneously without a teleprompter given any amount of time to prepare. Don’t be ridiculous. Millions of Americans do it every single day. It’s not finding the Northwest passage in a leaky death trap. It’s saying what you want to say in a prepared speech to a captive audience.

[Akkula]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:34 PM, masterfrog said:

No, because the presumptive nominee had been involved in a big coverup. 

Okay... you guys roll with that.  I am sure it will be very effective. 

[masterfrog]

I don’t know what the Trump team will roll with, but my hunch is that it will be effective enough to win and you won’t have Biden/Harris to kick around anymore, to paraphrase another California politician. 

[BYUcougfan]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:33 PM, Akkula said:

Why are you guys still trying to punch at Biden?  I know you wish he was still running but he isn't.  "Biden is old" just lost its impact,  no?

No, it matters what they knew and when they knew it.  The Democrat Party was basically caught red handed trying to run a Manchurian Candidate.

[masterfrog]

On 7/22/2024 at 2:38 PM, Akkula said:

What policies of hers do you find so objectionable or what has she said or done to draw your ire?  Is it just because she has a D next to her name? 

Objectively, it might be because in 2019 she ranked as the single most liberal senator in the country. That will be enough for some. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:38 PM, Nevada Convert said:

It was a response to Go State green infection. And LOL that you actually spent time checking. And then you still couldn’t find it. 

Apparently you can't find it either.  Either show your work or you are, you know, a fibber, a bullshitter, a liar. 

Even if, and everyone knows what it's like to wait for Convertproofs, one quip doesn't make up for all the thread starting and long post rants over and over to the contrary. 

[Akkula]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:44 PM, BYUcougfan said:

No, it matters what they knew and when they knew it.  The Democrat Party was basically caught red handed trying to run a Manchurian Candidate.

So we had an "almost" scandal?

[utenation]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:36 PM, Chile_Ute said:

My guess is the rate of decline is what surprised them.  Prior it may have still been slow enough they were hoping to parlay it into a 4 year term….or once back in office step away/kick out and plug Harris in.

The debate ruined Biden. And soon after interviews when he couldn’t even remember who is the secretary of defense is. 
 

IMO, and I’m no doctor but I think Team Biden has been propping up Joe for some time. I think they were just trying to get him through the election with one final ride. To your point. 
 

I think this is a huge disservice to Dems and the country.  You can’t exactly push an incumbent out the door until disaster happens.  It would have been nice if Team Biden put a stop to this much sooner and get some new life in the election seat to prepare instead of putting a back up in the game with 3 minutes left in the 4th qtr. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:40 PM, bornontheblue said:

So you admit that he has been mashed potato brains for at least the last 6 months then? 

Accountants should be better at math.  The SOTU was 4.5 months ago.  4.5 < 6.

No, what I have repeatedly said is that there is a likelihood both Biden and Trump are in Stage 2 AD based on ages, normal life progression, and the observable pauses/incompletion of thoughts and sentences.  I've also said Biden's decline is more physical and it's apparent that it came somewhat swiftly.  We know that (probably) most objectively from foreign leader observations.  We don't know the exact time frame, and may never even w/the hindsight of history.  That's true for Reagan even now. 

If you have never watched Reagan's Spring 1988 Moscow addresses when he was most certainly farther down the AD path, they are pretty remarkable.  Old men can rise to the occasion until they can't.  Trump never could.  That's the difference. 

[SleepingGiantFan]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:38 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Old men have good days and tough days.  Even younger folks do.  Biden in '20 was observably physically diminished from his early/mid-VP years.  But, like I said, his SOTU '24 speech, the fall '23 G7 summit, and 90 mt. bike rides where he banters w/reporters as he spins past are all signs Biden wasn't a mashed potatoe brain for years before.  I mean, Mike Johnson couldn't even continue his introduction when the teleprompter went out in Milwaukee and I haven't heard calls that he needs gravy poured over his head. 

Yes. A diminished ability to accomplish what we once could isn't merely a result of an aging metabolism, it's also a function of scares left from emotional turmoil and I can say from first-hand experience that the trials and tribulations of loved ones are always the worst. Joe Biden has suffered through more of those than any politician who comes to mind.

Oh and Mike Johnson's threat to sue the Dems over this Harris thing is as laughingly weak as his leadership skills.

[SleepingGiantFan]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:44 PM, masterfrog said:

Objectively, it might be because in 2019 she ranked as the single most liberal senator in the country. That will be enough for some. 

Ranked by whom?

[BYUcougfan]

On 7/22/2024 at 12:48 PM, Akkula said:

So we had an "almost" scandal?

What kind of stupid take is that?  Scandals are only scandals when people get caught.  In this case, the Democrats got caught trying to run a candidate who was non compos mentis.  No biggie, I guess, if you are a big enough partisan.

[Akkula]

On 7/22/2024 at 1:57 PM, BYUcougfan said:

What kind of stupid take is that?  Scandals are only scandals when people get caught.  In this case, the Democrats got caught trying to run a candidate who was non compos mentis.  No big, I guess, if you are a big enough partisan.

So they "tried" but did not actually nominate said candidate?   Is that your argument?

"And we would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you pesky kids!"