halfmanhalfbronco Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/07/peer-review-is-essential-for-science-unfortunately-its-broken/ Maybe the most important book of the year coming out. Authored by respected cosmologist Paul Sutter. It discusses (among many other things) the scientific fraud that took place during COVID (See now infamous racoon dog paper, more infamous proximal origins paper and of course public health response) and how it shattered public trust, and what science can do to regain it. This excerpt on the peer review process was really good I thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean327 Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 COVID and the heavy handed govt response to it absolutely wrecked the public's faith in science. It's unfortunate that a few power hungry and dishonest idiots used COVID as an opportunity to curtail liberty in this country. It's going to take a long time before many begin to trust scientists, and it will definitely hurt us in the long run. I'm a huge proponent of science. I love everything about the process of proving a theory. I'm very curious about how the universe around us works, and I understand that I have to put my faith in people a hell of a lot smarter than me to explain it. People like Dr Fauci and his minions have eroded that faith some, but I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I would love to see him and those who toed his line held accountable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 On 7/12/2024 at 6:54 PM, sean327 said: COVID and the heavy handed govt response to it absolutely wrecked the public's faith in science. It's unfortunate that a few power hungry and dishonest idiots used COVID as an opportunity to curtail liberty in this country. It's going to take a long time before many begin to trust scientists, and it will definitely hurt us in the long run. I'm a huge proponent of science. I love everything about the process of proving a theory. I'm very curious about how the universe around us works, and I understand that I have to put my faith in people a hell of a lot smarter than me to explain it. People like Dr Fauci and his minions have eroded that faith some, but I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I would love to see him and those who toed his line held accountable. It's worse than just the public health response. There was RAMPANT scientific fraud being PUBLISHED after peer review. It was so bad even I could point it out. Two papers on COVID origins were published, the media ran with it and so did posters here. I simply pointed out after reading the papers in full there were serious problems. Trying to get Alpine to admit he got taken cost me a friend....even though those two papers are now examples being used.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthLobo Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 Im happy to move to a country that didn't half ass it and had very successful outcomes compared to the majority of the world. NZ Strategy https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/apr/05/new-zealands-covid-strategy-was-one-of-the-worlds-most-successful-what-can-it-learn-from-it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 On 7/13/2024 at 9:38 AM, StealthLobo said: Im happy to move to a country that didn't half ass it and had very successful outcomes compared to the majority of the world. NZ Strategy https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2022/apr/05/new-zealands-covid-strategy-was-one-of-the-worlds-most-successful-what-can-it-learn-from-it Ever play plague Inc? NZ is the second hardest country to infect due to its isolation and few ports of entry. As I linked in another thread, there was NO correlation between government policy and public health results. Masking was pointless, lockdowns were pointless. School closures did NOTHING but destroy the lives of countless children. Your gods are dead. If NZ had hundreds of infected illegal immigrants pouring into their country daily their elimination strategy would have proved useless, too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StealthLobo Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 7/13/2024 at 11:12 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said: Ever play plague Inc? NZ is the second hardest country to infect due to its isolation and few ports of entry. As I linked in another thread, there was NO correlation between government policy and public health results. Masking was pointless, lockdowns were pointless. School closures did NOTHING but destroy the lives of countless children. Your gods are dead. If NZ had hundreds of infected illegal immigrants pouring into their country daily their elimination strategy would have proved useless, too. My uncle is a flat earther too. I've learned to find humor in his conspiracy theories and take his "studies" with a grain of salt as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfmanhalfbronco Posted July 13 Author Share Posted July 13 On 7/13/2024 at 11:58 AM, StealthLobo said: My uncle is a flat earther too. I've learned to find humor in his conspiracy theories and take his "studies" with a grain of salt as well. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adn0671#:~:text=We used daily data on,responses (“helpful”). Your gods are dead. Lulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happycamper Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 On 7/12/2024 at 11:35 PM, halfmanhalfbronco said: It's worse than just the public health response. There was RAMPANT scientific fraud being PUBLISHED after peer review. It was so bad even I could point it out. Two papers on COVID origins were published, the media ran with it and so did posters here. I simply pointed out after reading the papers in full there were serious problems. Trying to get Alpine to admit he got taken cost me a friend....even though those two papers are now examples being used.... why are you using these as your fraud and not the ivermectin fraud papers? those did far more damage and were overtly fraudulent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mano Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 The thing about science is that faith should not be needed, but rather proof and verification. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 On 7/12/2024 at 11:27 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said: https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/07/peer-review-is-essential-for-science-unfortunately-its-broken/ Maybe the most important book of the year coming out. Authored by respected cosmologist Paul Sutter. It discusses (among many other things) the scientific fraud that took place during COVID (See now infamous racoon dog paper, more infamous proximal origins paper and of course public health response) and how it shattered public trust, and what science can do to regain it. This excerpt on the peer review process was really good I thought. Climate Change has been more wrong and for much longer than COVID. They’ve been much more wrong than right with their predictions. It’s not a question if the climate is changing, it’s a question of do we really understand it enough to know WTF power we have to curtail it. Is spending trillions ASAP going to really give us the returns we expect? This is a crazy issue. On the right you have deniers, and on the left you have the polar opposite. You get your talking points that the scientists really have it figured out this time, and we know how that’s not going to pan out. We are learning. When we are learning, we aren’t too good at predictions. There’s an arrogance out there that we know much more than we are learning. Hasn’t worked out yet. I don’t have a lot of faith in climate science, but that doesn’t mean I’m against getting off fossil fuels in a reasonable time frame. As human beings on earth, it’s more important for us to learn to adapt to the changing earth than just thinking we can control a lot of it. Someday, maybe we can. Maybe that won’t be in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nevada Convert Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 On 7/15/2024 at 9:56 AM, Mano said: The thing about science is that faith should not be needed, but rather proof and verification. There’s a lot of faith involved because you have to have the faith in investing big money in certain research before you realize if you’re on the right or wrong track regarding the expenditure of national treasure. You might have invested a ton, and halfway through find out additional info. that shows you’re going in the wrong direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The San Diegan Posted July 21 Share Posted July 21 On 7/13/2024 at 10:12 AM, halfmanhalfbronco said: Ever play plague Inc? NZ is the second hardest country to infect due to its isolation and few ports of entry. As I linked in another thread, there was NO correlation between government policy and public health results. Masking was pointless, lockdowns were pointless. School closures did NOTHING but destroy the lives of countless children. Your gods are dead. If NZ had hundreds of infected illegal immigrants pouring into their country daily their elimination strategy would have proved useless, too. Then verifiable bullshit in this statement is strong, and only serves to send more torpedos into the hull of objective truth. [Insert cynical finger-tapping emoji here] All one has to do is review the per capita deaths at the county-level to see there is a definite correlation between policy and, well, death from the virus, and that policy (which influenced social interactivity) was a greater causal factor than population density. Visual representation of the above data: nice At a glance one can see that the reddest states - with the most lax COVID restrictions - suffered the greatest per capita death rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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