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On 7/16/2024 at 5:11 PM, smltwnrckr said:

I mean, you hit the nail on the head. Abortion restrictions are about punishing whores. 

It always comes back to that. Pull on the thread of any "pro life" argument and it always comes back to that.

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On 7/16/2024 at 8:13 PM, SharkTanked said:

It always comes back to that. Pull on the thread of any "pro life" argument and it always comes back to that.

Raising my children is by far the most rewarding experience of my life. I can’t imagine why that would be a punishment for someone. 

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On 7/16/2024 at 7:30 PM, masterfrog said:

Raising my children is by far the most rewarding experience of my life. I can’t imagine why that would be a punishment for someone. 

Empathy is not in your toolbox. At least you are self aware?

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On 7/16/2024 at 7:30 PM, masterfrog said:

Raising my children is by far the most rewarding experience of my life. I can’t imagine why that would be a punishment for someone. 

There's a word for requiring people through laws enforced by the state's monopoly on legitimate violence to do something you find to be rewarding (without having to deal with the punising toll extractd from your body of couse) and thus can't imagine why they wouldn't do it wilfully. 

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On 7/16/2024 at 6:11 PM, smltwnrckr said:

I mean, you hit the nail on the head. Abortion restrictions are about punishing whores. 

And rape victims ,

And, older women who are empty nesters and turn up pregnant. Women who have jobs that aren't compatible with child rearing.

Well, every woman. Because our Society will have said her role is to make babies, spread her legs for her man, cook and clean. Period.

 

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On 7/16/2024 at 7:13 PM, SharkTanked said:

It always comes back to that. Pull on the thread of any "pro life" argument and it always comes back to that.

I don't post directly on abortion policy or the delve openly into underlying views on the issue.  For me, it's one of a few topics too deep and raw for this type of platform.  Anyone who wants a few hours of in-person dialogue, that's how I do it. 

All that said, restrictions on abortion do not simply or wholly come from the desires to "punish whores" as smalltown posted.  I'm old enough to recall well, and participate in, the pro-life debate topic that was at the forefront before abortion. Death penalty arguments were center stage in the '60s and early '70s, at least in my world.  I then recall the beginning of the 50+ year contentious issue following the 1973 Roe decision.  I have followed closely for over a half-century now.  I know the people and arguments and the moral philosophies on all sides of the issue.  It's not all about punishing whores on one side nor (pick your pejorative description) on the other. 

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On 7/17/2024 at 7:58 AM, Spaztecs said:

And rape victims ,

And, older women who are empty nesters and turn up pregnant. Women who have jobs that aren't compatible with child rearing.

Well, every woman. Because our Society will have said her role is to make babies, spread her legs for her man, cook and clean. Period.

 

@modestobulldog

 

We all get you believe ending abortion is somehow caring about life. How much caring is involved when children are left w/o a mother because she was forced to die carrying an unviable fetus ?

How caring is it when womens access to Birth Control will be exceptionally limited? 

How caring is it when women are forced out of the workplace because employers believe pregnancy and the requirements of their workplace are non compatible ?

#AmericanTaliban

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On 7/17/2024 at 7:19 AM, AlpineSummer said:

I don't post directly on abortion policy or the delve openly into underlying views on the issue.  For me, it's one of a few topics too deep and raw for this type of platform.  Anyone who wants a few hours of in-person dialogue, that's how I do it. 

All that said, restrictions on abortion do not simply or wholly come from the desires to "punish whores" as smalltown posted.  I'm old enough to recall well, and participate in, the pro-life debate topic that was at the forefront before abortion. Death penalty arguments were center stage in the '60s and early '70s, at least in my world.  I then recall the beginning of the 50+ year contentious issue following the 1973 Roe decision.  I have followed closely for over a half-century now.  I know the people and arguments and the moral philosophies on all sides of the issue.  It's not all about punishing whores on one side nor (pick your pejorative description) on the other. 

Nah, it's about punishing whores ultimately. Even when people think it's not. 

And that's not about anything being raw or deep. It's just basic history. We can have a real conversation if you want. 

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On 7/17/2024 at 10:25 AM, Spaztecs said:

@modestobulldog

 

We all get you believe ending abortion is somehow caring about life. How much caring is involved when children are left w/o a mother because she was forced to die carrying an unviable fetus ?

How caring is it when womens access to Birth Control will be exceptionally limited? 

How caring is it when women are forced out of the workplace because employers believe pregnancy and the requirements of their workplace are non compatible ?

#AmericanTaliban

My SMH was your characterization of Pro Life.

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On 7/17/2024 at 8:01 AM, azgreg said:

I'm for the right of a woman to eject a parasite.

 

I just got some new information on this from a semi-reliable source. I don’t want to be the source of spreading any misinformation, so I’ll just ask you as directly and as sensitively as I can. 

I heard that your mom agrees with you on this, and when you were her parasite, she tried to eject you with fenbendazole. Is that how you remember it? 

Not trying to judge and be hurtful, but I was just making the observation that whatever happened, it didn’t end up too well and you should probably sue. 
 

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I think we should do everything we can as a culture to make abortion rare. That starts with preventing unwanted pregnancies, and preventing problem pregnancies that lead to a bad outcome for the mother and the fetus. I think we do all that, short of using the legislative hammer of taking the decision out of the hands of the woman and her doctor and handing it to the State. It’s the small government thing to do.

There are a million things that can go wrong during a pregnancy that threaten the life and health of the mother. The big bad government will never be able to write a law excepting every single instance. 

We will end up with government panels deciding “How disabled must a woman become in order to get approval to get an abortion using the ‘Life and Health of the Mother Exception.’”

Hard Pass!

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