Landslide for Trump

[Robe]

Who would have guess Democrats Anticipating a landslide victory for Trump last year.

[Bison]

Going to be curious about the Congressional races.  Dems seemingly have pissed away a lot of trust with the American public by refusing to at least publicly acknowledging that Biden wasn't doing so well.

[tailingpermit]

Looking forward to Dennis Rodman being named as special representative to North Korea.  

[mysfit]

Yeah. No.

No matter how much this is currently playing out,  he will not be the top of the ticket come November and a lot of this country, including members of his own party, want no part of a Felon President and project 2025. Trump and co are not at all happy with the Biden bomb and the Dems getting to reset their ticket. People are going to get to vote for change, not a re-do.

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/11/2024 at 7:01 PM, Robe said:

Who would have guess Democrats Anticipating a landslide victory for Trump last year.

Won't be a landslide.  Neither way. 

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/11/2024 at 9:03 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Won't be a landslide.  Neither way. 

I agree. Trump could have smooth sailing to get a victory with just a tad bit of ‘smarts’ and discipline required, but it’s just impossible for him to pull off. Trump will fuck things up for himself with his big mouth, ego and stupidity. It’s who he is…it’s in his DNA. Book it. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/12/2024 at 12:14 AM, Nevada Convert said:

I agree. Trump could have smooth sailing to get a victory with just a tad bit of ‘smarts’ and discipline required, but it’s just impossible for him to pull off. Trump will fuck things up for himself with his big mouth, ego and stupidity. It’s who he is…it’s in his DNA. Book it. 

Probably.  Also, the polarization data just doesn't allow for a landslide in the current situation. 

[aztech]

On 7/11/2024 at 11:20 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Probably.  Also, the polarization data just doesn't allow for a landslide in the current situation. 

That Project 2025 is a disasterous overreach on their part.  We have a lot of morons in this country, but they're outnumbered by sensible voters.

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/12/2024 at 1:03 AM, aztech said:

That Project 2025 is a disasterous overreach on their part.  We have a lot of morons in this country, but they're outnumbered by sensible voters.

Between that easily attacked lengthy policy dream and some other key issues, the Ds should roll in '24.  But, the present situation says otherwise.  What strange times.  This presidential race appears to be a force for continued polarization. 

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/12/2024 at 12:03 AM, aztech said:

That Project 2025 is a disasterous overreach on their part.  We have a lot of morons in this country, but they're outnumbered by sensible voters.

Project 25 is the boogeyman that the left is trying to use to scare voters to help Biden. The GOP platform for the convention isn’t even using it. For example, Trump’s position on abortion is allowing 15 weeks and certainly not in favor of a federal ban. Yeah, the right wingers are pissed but they’ll still vote for him. 

[halfmanhalfbronco]

On 7/12/2024 at 3:41 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Project 25 is the boogeyman that the left is trying to use to scare voters to help Biden. The GOP platform for the convention isn’t even using it. For example, Trump’s position on abortion is allowing 15 weeks and certainly not in favor of a federal ban. Yeah, the right wingers are pissed but they’ll still vote for him. 

If they moved it to 20 weeks, the now standard of viability, they would win going away.

The viability standard just makes the most sense

[TSpoke]

On 7/12/2024 at 3:41 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Project 25 is the boogeyman that the left is trying to use to scare voters to help Biden. The GOP platform for the convention isn’t even using it. For example, Trump’s position on abortion is allowing 15 weeks and certainly not in favor of a federal ban. Yeah, the right wingers are pissed but they’ll still vote for him. 

Yup totally made up by the left with no reason to think that Trump will enact any of it. 

 

 

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/12/2024 at 4:00 PM, TSpoke said:

Yup totally made up by the left with no reason to think that Trump will enact any of it. 

 

 

Project 2025 is real. It's a fair strand of Republicanism now.  Trump campaign understands it's a drag for indies and want to distance. It's not a left wing boogeyman.  It's a real, long term policy agenda that is to last beyond Trumpism. 

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/12/2024 at 3:00 PM, TSpoke said:

Yup totally made up by the left with no reason to think that Trump will enact any of it. 

 

 

You’re just too much of a hopeless partisan dumbass to even remotely analyze the situation objectively. You have the MSNBC mentality. 

Heritage has forever been an economic think tank for the GOP, and well respected over the years. Now they’ve suddenly decided to take a stab at social issues, as well, which has been an obvious big mistake. 

When Trump made these comments, he hadn’t even seen them. He eventually did, and now he wants nothing to do with them. That’s just reality. 

We all know Trump has no character, he lies constantly, and is known to flip flop. But we know he’s not an ideologue nor a conservative one at that. Trump will do whatever it takes to gain power and keep it. 

Right now, he realizes that the ultra conservative shit in the P25 is a total loser. He’s kissed the right’s ass for so long, he knows they’ll still support him even he pivots to the center to win the presidency and win back Congress. So that’s his political calculation right now, and he has to do it to win and stay in power. This is Trumpy version 2.0. 

How do we know he won’t flip to P25 if he wins? If it were an advantage for him, he absolutely would. He has no character and that’s why I’ll never vote for him. But it’s not terribly hard to predict what Trump will do. It’s not all about America, American’s or our allies. It’s all about what benefits him. That’s not terribly hard to follow. The P25 is a loser for Trump. The people that support P25 will still vote for him even if he wants nothing to do with it. 

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/12/2024 at 4:11 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Project 2025 is real. It's a fair strand of Republicanism now.  Trump campaign understands it's a drag for indies and want to distance. It's not a left wing boogeyman.  It's a real, long term policy agenda that is to last beyond Trumpism. 

25% of the GOP support that shit, tops. Probably closer to 20%. Those that support all of it, even less. Total boogeyman. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/12/2024 at 5:21 PM, Nevada Convert said:

25% of the GOP support that shit, tops. Probably closer to 20%. 

 99% of the GOP favor certain items on that broad policy list. Centrists like myself even like a few. 

I posted before that large policy agendas historically do not have a great chance of enactment.  But, there is plenty of attractive piecemeal stuff that a Repuplican-led three branches, should that come to pass, that could become reality.  There are even strategic plans (now) to tie up the proposals to reclassify levels in the civil service to fire/replace.  So, it's not just a hypothetical boogeyman even though history shows most of it will not see the light of day. 
 

 

[Nevada Convert]

On 7/12/2024 at 4:40 PM, AlpineSummer said:

 99% of the GOP favor certain items on that broad policy list. Centrists like myself even like a few. 

I posted before that large policy agendas historically do not have a great chance of enactment.  But, there is plenty of attractive piecemeal stuff that a Repuplican-led three branches, should that come to pass, that could become reality.  There are even strategic plans (now) to tie up the proposals to reclassify levels in the civil service to fire/replace.  So, it's not just a hypothetical boogeyman even though history shows most of it will not see the light of day. 

I’m just saying that the left is pimping P25 as a total extremist agenda that Trump is going to completely adopt if he becomes President. That’s propaganda boogeyman stuff. The right does the same thing to the left. 

[AlpineSummer]

On 7/12/2024 at 5:44 PM, Nevada Convert said:

I’m just saying that the left is pimping P25 as a total extremist agenda that Trump is going to completely adopt if he becomes President. That’s propaganda boogeyman stuff. The right does the same thing to the left. 

Well, duh.  But, Project 2025 is a real thing.  Heritage has had some policy successes over the years, and they didn't produce that huge policy document for nothing.  We have one VP possibility stating it has some good things in it.  It's assumed despite the project's independence from the Trump Campaign that a 2nd Trump Admin. would have a symbiotic relationship w/Project 2025.  It's fair game for targeting. 

[mysfit]

On 7/12/2024 at 3:41 PM, Nevada Convert said:

Project 25 is the boogeyman that the left is trying to use to scare voters to help Biden. The GOP platform for the convention isn’t even using it. For example, Trump’s position on abortion is allowing 15 weeks and certainly not in favor of a federal ban. Yeah, the right wingers are pissed but they’ll still vote for him. 

Trump says whatever group he's in front of wants to hear. 

[mysfit]

Project 2025 is the wish list of the far right. Trump just happens to be the vehicle most likely to win the Oval office and allow them to start rolling out their agenda. If Trump fails in his bid this year, Project 2025 will be working to get a nominee who will allow them to enact their agenda whenever a Republican sits in the White House again.

It's willful ignorance to think it's "just a trump thing". This group is dangerous. That trump would allow them to pursue their agenda is a legitimate concern. But it would be a concern if the candidate was say that nut job in Florida. The group is the real danger. Pull your head out and look at the big picture.