Orban in Russia and China

[CPslograd]

Trump va a ganar.

Que pasa proximo?  Who knows.

[aztech]

On 7/8/2024 at 8:47 PM, Sactowndog said:

My belief is Trumpism is a descent into Tribalism from which the U.S. may never recover.  It will be teams before all else. 
 

To prove my point I would like to point to Victor Orban in Hungary.  The same Victor Orban who served as the keynote speaker at CPAC and recently traveled to meet with:

Putin:

and Xi

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/hungary-pm-orban-arrives-beijing-talks-with-chinese-president-xi-2024-07-07/
 

but for the board Trumper’s like 

@Soupslam @bornontheblue @AztecAlien @Bob it doesn’t matter.  In true tribalism only the Tribe matters.  Think I’m wrong.  I challenge any Trumper to denounce CPAC for aligning with this guy……. They won’t.  It’s tribalism above all else.  

We should cut the bullshit and ask Orban if he wants to continue as a NATO member.  No big loss if he says no.  They only have 9 million people and is a burdened landlocked country that doesn't contribute a thing.  Orban chose Russia to finance them.  The only thing they have going for them is that the Danube River Cruise starts/ends in Budapest.  I've been to Old Budapest which is scenic, but not a point of interest in my view.     

[Sactowndog]

On 7/15/2024 at 6:53 PM, aztech said:

We should cut the bullshit and ask Orban if he wants to continue as a NATO member.  No big loss if he says no.  They only have 9 million people and is a burdened landlocked country that doesn't contribute a thing.  Orban chose Russia to finance them.  The only thing they have going for them is that the Danube River Cruise starts/ends in Budapest.  I've been to Old Budapest which is scenic, but not a point of interest in my view.     

Should even ask.  Kick them out. 

[Sactowndog]

On 7/13/2024 at 9:08 PM, CPslograd said:

Trump va a ganar.

Que pasa proximo?  Who knows.

It’s not like we don’t have hundreds of authoritarian states to look at in history to figure out what happens next.  

[Sactowndog]

On 7/10/2024 at 1:30 PM, East Village Poltergeist said:

I’m just not sure what the GOP does after Trump though. The others largely have the personalities of frogs with late stage syphilis, and won’t play nationally. Don’t see a fruitful future on their current trajectory. 

The party is basically the kid with stage 4 glioblastoma getting a Make A Wish with LeBron. They had a hella dead cat bounce to end all dead cat bounces as a party, but how does it realistically proceed? Just can’t see it, I think Trump is their Waterloo as a party. 

Until he dies. No way he is gone in 4 years.  Power is addicting and especially for Trump.  

[SharkTanked]

Thanks to Vance as Veep, Putin now has a deep bench in place.

[modestobulldog]

On 7/12/2024 at 12:47 PM, AlpineSummer said:

Hil's take after the Mar-a-Lago meet:

 

Oh, piss off Hillary, go back to stroking your loins with your red reset button vibrator.  God knows she needs a circuit breaker in that device.

[modestobulldog]

On 7/12/2024 at 9:10 PM, Hashbrowns said:

Meeting people is missing the point IMO.

What’s Biden’s plan to end Ukraine War? Keep sending cash indefinitely?

Why not make the story about the actual shitty substance of Orban/China/Brazil/Trump “peace” plan? Why does the media make it about personality and “dictator” reality tv drama?

Because it’s really about military industrial complex, corporate profits and generational war.

[modestobulldog]

On 7/12/2024 at 9:18 PM, Sactowndog said:

Because it’s not reality TV drama.  Orban literally does cozy up to Putin and Xi and has destroyed democracy in Hungary.  
 

As for Biden’s plan it’s not his war to end.  American service people are not dying in Ukraine.  

So participation is OK, as long as you don’t push buttons buttons?

[modestobulldog]

On 7/12/2024 at 9:33 PM, Chile_Ute said:

Am I wrong it’s not buckets of money but US produced weaponry by Military corporations profits that are being sent over?  Serious query.

Staffed by US & NATO, just not pushing buttons or pulling triggers.

[modestobulldog]

On 7/12/2024 at 10:13 PM, Chile_Ute said:

So I guess I don’t understand the beef from the GOP.  We’re a military-industrial nation under the guise of democracy.  This money is predominantly staying in house without US casualties.  Fund the fuck out of it until one of the oligarchs find that Putin “tragically fell out a window” in Moscow.

Putin need to go down and anyone who is there to lick his balls (see Trump) needs to go with him.

(and I’m not missing that tax dollars are funding this but at least it’s going back into our pot)

 

[modestobulldog]

On 7/13/2024 at 12:40 AM, Sactowndog said:

Most of what is being sent over is aging second hand stuff.  Even Ammo has a shelf life and has to be replaced.  So technically much of what is being sent are items we or our ally’s would have to replace anyway.  So its US produced weaponry would likely have to spend to replace anyway.  The real cost is in the Time Value of Money

 

On 7/13/2024 at 11:19 AM, AlpineSummer said:

Ain't nothing but a "G" thing. 

The oft too simplistic MIC explanation for war is just overused.  

I am fairly new to Medicare and nearly half my life US has been involved in these wars and conflicts where the plan is to fund the conflict (corporate profits) long term. Eisenhower warned against it, we ignored his advice. Maybe Hillary can jump in and take Biden’s place and drum up some more business for the military industrial complex.

[modestobulldog]

On 7/13/2024 at 2:20 PM, Joe from Wyo said:

Making money for Raytheon and friends. Same as it ever was. 
 

with the added benefit of giving our historic adversary a black eye and slowly bleeding them out. 
 

as long as we don’t send troops I’m happy to sell them weapons and other machinery. 

Home run on 1&2, as for 3, puck that.

[modestobulldog]

On 7/13/2024 at 3:19 PM, Sactowndog said:

I agree this is a valid critique.  Joe is an overly cautious old man who has repeatedly failed in missions from the Afghan withdrawal to the pier that strangely keeps coming ungrounded.  
 

If he wasn’t running against a Felon with zero respect for the Constitution the race would be over already.   At this point the best we can hope for is someone drops a bomb on the debate stage.  

Holy shit, that didn’t age well.  Don’t just take out the leader, take out a bunch of MAGAt’s, amiright? Very Democratic of you.

[modestobulldog]

I’m surprised I didn’t make @Sactowndog’s list. After three years of the estrangement, I’m back on the badass Trump train.

What is wrong with meeting with Putin and Xi? Hasn’t nearly every president met with the Soviet / Russian / Chinese leader since Nixon?

Anybody concerned about the rise of BRICS and others joining?  
 

You guys are addicted to and peddling fear porn puked by corporate mainstream media.

[Sactowndog]

On 7/17/2024 at 5:59 AM, modestobulldog said:

So participation is OK, as long as you don’t push buttons buttons?

Providing arms is fine.  We have done so for decades and it was done for us.   Boots on the ground is a different story.

 

[Sactowndog]

On 7/17/2024 at 6:32 AM, modestobulldog said:

I’m surprised I didn’t make @Sactowndog’s list. After three years of the estrangement, I’m back on the badass Trump train.

What is wrong with meeting with Putin and Xi? Hasn’t nearly every president met with the Soviet / Russian / Chinese leader since Nixon?

Anybody concerned about the rise of BRICS and others joining?  
 

You guys are addicted to and peddling fear porn puked by corporate mainstream media.

Orban isn’t meeting Putin and Xi he is supporting them.  As for Trump the shakedown begins.   He will make sure he personally gets paid off by US  allies.

 

[Sactowndog]

On 7/17/2024 at 6:23 AM, modestobulldog said:

Holy shit, that didn’t age well.  Don’t just take out the leader, take out a bunch of MAGAt’s, amiright? Very Democratic of you.

Try reading again.  The debate stage was Trump and Biden and since no participants no the MAGATs don’t get taken out.

Both candidates are horrible was the point of the post which you completely missed.  

[Sactowndog]

On 7/17/2024 at 5:57 AM, modestobulldog said:

Because it’s really about military industrial complex, corporate profits and generational war.

No it’s about states looking to gain democracy from authoritarian powers like Russia and China.  We used to be a defender of democracy, now it’s going to be a giant shake down racket going into Trumps pocket.  MS-13 protection racket on a global scale. 
 

 

[modestobulldog]

On 7/17/2024 at 10:01 AM, Sactowndog said:

Try reading again.  The debate stage was Trump and Biden and since no participants no the MAGATs don’t get taken out.

Both candidates are horrible was the point of the post which you completely missed.  

Got it, my bad. But probably best we reel in our hyperbole.