I Eat Babies Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 5:31 PM, utenation said: And they could have easily lost to Boise and Houston last year as well. The would have/could have/should have stuff is overrated. You are what your record says you are. Utah ended up being a very average to borderline bad team last year. It is what it is. Fair enough, I guess I just respect their running game. I think at this point in the preseason they have enough going to be considered a contender, along with you guys and the Kansas schools and maybe Okie lite. ISU/WVU/Zona could be right there too if things fall right. Fun league Quote
utenation Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 3:15 PM, I Eat Babies said: It’ll be hard for anyone in the quite deep Big 12 I'll disagree on deep. KSU, Utah, OSU maybe Kansas and AZ is where my deep list stops. Originally, I had WVU in my list but after looking at their schedule, it's brutal. WVU was picked last in 2023 and had a good season. So there will likely be some more of that in 2024, but with what we have on paper, I think the list is semi shallow. IMO. When you add 4 G5 schools to a conference, that hurts depth. 1 Quote
I Eat Babies Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 5:37 PM, utenation said: I'll disagree on deep. KSU, Utah, OSU maybe Kansas and AZ is where my deep list stops. Originally, I had WVU in my list but after looking at their schedule, it's brutal. WVU was picked last in 2023 and had a good season. So there will likely be some more of that in 2024, but with what we have on paper, I think the list is semi shallow. IMO. When you add 4 G5 schools to a conference, that hurts depth. I mean that’s already deeper than the big 10 (very top heavy) and acc (meh aside from schools that are itching to leave). What makes the conference deep are schools like ucf, WVU, isu, even tcu/byu that can ruin your teams season and still be bowl eligible. I agree that Houston isn’t it but basketball matters. I think Cincy will be solid eventually. Hard to tell with those schools because they’ve been playing football with one hand tied behind their back.. no telling where they could go on an even playing field. Quote
utenation Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 3:44 PM, I Eat Babies said: I mean that’s already deeper than the big 10 (very top heavy) and acc (meh aside from schools that are itching to leave). What makes the content deep are schools like ucf, WVU, isu, even tcu/byu that can ruin your teams season and still be bowl eligible. I agree that Houston isn’t it but basketball matters. I think Cincy will be solid eventually. Hard to tell with those schools because they’ve been playing football with one hand tied behind their back.. no telling where they could go on an even playing field. I forgot to mention ISU on my list. And I'm glad they come to SLC. TCU? No idea. BYU has no QB. Not getting very far with that. Cincy? It's hard to go anywhere but up. Quote
azgreg Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 2:19 PM, I Eat Babies said: How are you feeling about your chances this season? You have a tough schedule Actually our conference schedule isn't too bad. We skip Ok St, Kansas St, Kansas, and Iowa St. I like our chances. 1 Quote
I Eat Babies Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 5:51 PM, azgreg said: Actually our conference schedule isn't too bad. We skip Ok St, Kansas St, Kansas, and Iowa St. I like our chances. Road slate is tough 😬 Quote
Bison Posted June 24, 2024 Author Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 2:11 PM, utenation said: You realize UCF was 3-6 in conference last year right? And 2 of those wins were against last place Houston and Cincy. Both former AAC turds. The other was a fluke win over OSU, a team they would have lost to 9 of 10 times. Also, that mighty 39-6 home record the last 7 years was mostly against terrible AAC competition. The accurate stat is how they do against B12 competition the next 7 years. 4-2 last year you say? Against powerhouses like Kent State, Villanova and Houston? LMAO. A good WVU team demolished UCF in Orlando. They also lost to a 3-9 Baylor team at home. I'm wondering if that "writer" on "Buff Zone" even knows where to find stats. LOL I think UCF has about as much chance getting to Dallas as CU, which is next to zero. It’s obvious you did not look at UCF’s conference schedule and see how easy it is without KSU, KU, and OSU on the schedule plus UA, CU, and Utah at home. Plus you have an experienced QB who cut his teeth in the SEC at Arkansas. I don’t think he had two RBs that totaled nearly 3K yards rushing in the same season at Arkansas so he won’t have to carry the load even if he’s a load to bring down himself at 245 pounds. In a competitive conference, sometimes the road less travelled is the best path towards a championship. Quote
I Eat Babies Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 5:46 PM, utenation said: I forgot to mention ISU on my list. And I'm glad they come to SLC. TCU? No idea. BYU has no QB. Not getting very far with that. Cincy? It's hard to go anywhere but up. I suspect you have more feelings on byu than I but feel generally they can beat anyone that comes to their place at any time. They may be in a down cycle currently though..TCU was in the national championship game recently so they aren’t exactly fodder either. Quote
utenation Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 3:56 PM, PAC MAN said: It’s obvious you did not look at UCF’s conference schedule and see how easy it is without KSU, KU, and OSU on the schedule plus UA, CU, and Utah at home. Plus you have an experienced QB who cut his teeth in the SEC at Arkansas. I don’t think he had two RBs that totaled nearly 3K yards rushing in the same season at Arkansas so he won’t have to carry the load even if he’s a load to bring down himself at 245 pounds. In a competitive conference, sometimes the road less travelled is the best path towards a championship. So since UCF's schedule is "so easy", what's your call on their finish order? Kinda looks like you have them going to Dallas. Quote
Bison Posted June 24, 2024 Author Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 3:57 PM, I Eat Babies said: I suspect you have more feelings on byu than I but feel generally they can beat anyone that comes to their place at any time. They may be in a down cycle currently though..TCU was in the national championship game recently so they aren’t exactly fodder either. Who will the BYU QB be? Their schedule isn’t a charmin soft as UCF’s is. Quote
Billings Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 2:44 PM, I Eat Babies said: I mean that’s already deeper than the big 10 (very top heavy) and acc (meh aside from schools that are itching to leave). What makes the conference deep are schools like ucf, WVU, isu, even tcu/byu that can ruin your teams season and still be bowl eligible. I agree that Houston isn’t it but basketball matters. I think Cincy will be solid eventually. Hard to tell with those schools because they’ve been playing football with one hand tied behind their back.. no telling where they could go on an even playing field. BIG look much deeper with USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington could be 7-8 quality teams in there 2 Quote
utenation Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 3:57 PM, I Eat Babies said: I suspect you have more feelings on byu than I but feel generally they can beat anyone that comes to their place at any time. They may be in a down cycle currently though..TCU was in the national championship game recently so they aren’t exactly fodder either. Honestly, it's pretty quiet in Provo this off season. Vegas has picked them last in the conference. And I think Vegas is more right than wrong. I like TCU and I'm happy we play them again in a conference. But Dykes has proven to be a roller coaster coach. Quote
I Eat Babies Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 5:59 PM, PAC MAN said: Who will the BYU QB be? Their schedule isn’t a charmin soft as UCF’s is. Idk, it’s more of a philosophical pick, they very well could stink this year but then ruin Kansas’ season late, for example. I don’t think they’ll win the conference but could play spoiler and squeak into a bowl game. Quote
I Eat Babies Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 6:06 PM, Billings said: BIG look much deeper with USC, UCLA, Oregon, and Washington could be 7-8 quality teams in there I don’t see it that way but we’ll see ultimately. Quote
Bison Posted June 24, 2024 Author Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 3:58 PM, utenation said: So since UCF's schedule is "so easy", what's your call on their finish order? Kinda looks like you have them going to Dallas. Two teams are going to Dallas so they either will be first or second. It doesn’t mean UCF would be the best or second best overall team in the B12. Arizona did play in a P12 CCG but do you honestly think UA would be the most talented P12 team at that time? They just won enough games to get there. Quote
I Eat Babies Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 6:12 PM, PAC MAN said: Two teams are going to Dallas so they either will be first or second. It doesn’t mean UCF would be the best or second best overall team in the B12. Arizona did play in a P12 CCG but do you honestly think UA would be the most talented P12 team at that time? They just won enough games to get there. Looking at their schedule I wouldn’t say it’s easy. But I like Iowa State and WVU this year and Florida treats them like a rival now so who knows? Quote
Bison Posted June 24, 2024 Author Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 4:09 PM, I Eat Babies said: Idk, it’s more of a philosophical pick, they very well could stink this year but then ruin Kansas’ season late, for example. I don’t think they’ll win the conference but could play spoiler and squeak into a bowl game. BYU ruining Kansas’ season late…that reminded me of a bad CU team showing up in Salt Lake City and beating the Utes which kept Utah out of the P12 CCG in 2011. Quote
utenation Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 4:12 PM, PAC MAN said: Two teams are going to Dallas so they either will be first or second. It doesn’t mean UCF would be the best or second best overall team in the B12. Arizona did play in a P12 CCG but do you honestly think UA would be the most talented P12 team at that time? They just won enough games to get there. You guys wake me up when they get there. I'll eat the crow if they do. I think 6-7 wins for them. They only had 2 quality wins last year. Boise and OSU. The rest was cupcake OOC fluff and terrible B12 teams. Quote
I Eat Babies Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 6:07 PM, utenation said: Honestly, it's pretty quiet in Provo this off season. Vegas has picked them last in the conference. And I think Vegas is more right than wrong. I like TCU and I'm happy we play them again in a conference. But Dykes has proven to be a roller coaster coach. If that’s a blend of Vegas averaged in order I’d have to agree with the list. Though I’d probably flip k state and Utah (no offense). WVU should be higher imo. Quote
Bison Posted June 24, 2024 Author Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/24/2024 at 4:16 PM, I Eat Babies said: Looking at their schedule I wouldn’t say it’s easy. But I like Iowa State and WVU this year and Florida treats them like a rival now so who knows? You are right that schedule could be tougher than it looks and how Florida treats UCF could affect who shows up in Dallas depending on what the tiebreaker is going to look like. ISU’s B12 schedule doesn’t look too daunting either so ISU could show up at Jerry World. Quote
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