Racism in Idaho against the Lady Utes

[utenation]

This is just a terrible story. Especially for 2024. Apparently the city and state official press conference had to be shut down due to more harassment. 

 

Utah had to move hotels to Spokane. This part of Idaho is known for racial knuckleheads. 
 

https://www.opb.org/article/2024/03/26/utah-coach-says-team-was-shaken-after-experiencing-racist-hate-during-ncaa-tournament/#:~:text=“Racism is real and it,environment%2C it's messed up.”

 

 

[HLB]

What?  According to @Orange racism only exists in the deep south.  Then again, he chooses to live in a racist state where 98% of their population is white.  The school he chooses to support (as well as their chief rival) has roughly 1% of their student body that is African American.  Meanwhile, they poach black athletes from the south to make up 60-80% of their football and basketball programs, allowing them to live off of the backs of these black athletes.

That being said, the state of Utah's racial divide isn't much better.

Many of the verbal attacks that I have received from @utenation and @Orange can easily be interpreted as hate speech and racist.  @utenation has even gone so far as to fabricate false statements and narratives, about me, fabricating quotes and claiming that I made statements that I did not.  And the leadership of this forum allows them to do so.

All that being said, it's a shame that a contingency Idaho's white supremacist had to ruin this experience for a group of young ladies who merely wanted to represent their school in the biggest tournament they could ever ask to be a part of in what should have been a wonderful experience that would establish wonderful memories.

[utenation]

My oh my. 😳 There is nowhere to go with that. 

[glduck]

Idaho *is* the Deep South, it’s just geographically confused.

[utenation]

On 3/26/2024 at 6:36 PM, glduck said:

Idaho *is* the Deep South, it’s just geographically confused.

I honestly think he needs to go back and take a basic US History class. This tells me he likely doesn’t even have a GED. 
 

If he took this class, he might know why many western states don’t have a lot of black people understanding the migration patterns in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. 
 

He’d also know that many of these folks migrated north to the rust belt and north east coast looking for economic opportunity and not the undeveloped west.  Finally, he’d see why California has a lot of black athletes and his southern “lives off the backs of black people” theory is horseshit. 

[dtd]

On 3/26/2024 at 8:58 PM, utenation said:

I honestly think he needs to go back and take a basic US History class. This tells me he likely doesn’t even have a GED. 
 

If he took this class, he might know why many western states don’t have a lot of black people understanding the migration patterns in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s. 
 

He’d also know that many of these folks migrated north to the rust belt and north east coast looking for economic opportunity and not the undeveloped west.  Finally, he’d see why California has a lot of black athletes and his southern “lives off the backs of black people” theory is horseshit. 

I mean, there are hardly any white people in the NW. 

[utenation]

On 3/26/2024 at 11:56 PM, dtd said:

I mean, there are hardly any white people in the NW. 

The answer is simple on that one. Because all these Western States are just racist all around depending on the narrative you want to spin. So I’ve been told. 

[Orange]

On 3/26/2024 at 4:34 PM, HLB said:

What?  According to @Orange racism only exists in the deep south.  Then again, he chooses to live in a racist state where 98% of their population is white.  The school he chooses to support (as well as their chief rival) has roughly 1% of their student body that is African American.  Meanwhile, they poach black athletes from the south to make up 60-80% of their football and basketball programs, allowing them to live off of the backs of these black athletes.

That being said, the state of Utah's racial divide isn't much better.

Many of the verbal attacks that I have received from @utenation and @Orange can easily be interpreted as hate speech and racist.  @utenation has even gone so far as to fabricate false statements and narratives, about me, fabricating quotes and claiming that I made statements that I did not.  And the leadership of this forum allows them to do so.

All that being said, it's a shame that a contingency Idaho's white supremacist had to ruin this experience for a group of young ladies who merely wanted to represent their school in the biggest tournament they could ever ask to be a part of in what should have been a wonderful experience that would establish wonderful memories.

I sure as shit never fucking said that, and the only one spouting racist bullshit here is you.  I seem to recall you posting stories about black-on-black crime or some shit.  

[dtd]

Overt racism is a part of the culture in a red state? I am shocked. Just shocked!

[utenation]

On 3/28/2024 at 4:04 PM, Orange said:

I sure as shit never fucking said that, and the only one spouting racist bullshit here is you.  I seem to recall you posting stories about black-on-black crime or some shit.  

Sad really. His accusations are based on lack of understanding of basic migration patterns in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s as to why western states are “racist” because of lack of black population. 
 

Only a fool would interpret a call out as a “ racist “ remark when the person is just pointing out character flaws for that specific person and not the color of their skin.  
 

The real racism here is accusing white people of racism for any questionable comment not having anything to do with race. That’s a huge problem in our society.  Blaming “the man” for all your problems is just childish and ignorant. 
 

You of all people I view as a person looking out for equality in all races, genders, sexual orientation etc. 

[EastCoastFan]

Some update.  More hopefully will come:

Coeur d’Alene police chief Lee White said last week that about 100 people were around the area the night of the incidents. He has said there are two state charges that could be enforced — malicious harassment and disorderly conduct — if someone is arrested. White also said he was working with the FBI.

Far-right extremists have maintained a presence in the region for years. In 2018, at least nine hate groups operated in the region of Spokane and northern Idaho, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

When a resolution denouncing racism and hate speech in response to the incidents with the Utah team was introduced in the Idaho Senate last week, several Republican senators expressed doubts about the accounts or said they were unfamiliar with the situation. They debated for about 30 minutes before voting to approve the resolution.

https://apnews.com/article/march-madness-utah-hate-crime-idaho-f63fa199ec2a5aa8db0dda3621cc047f

 

[Orange]

Idaho is a shithole.  Alabama of the west.

Too bad, because it is one of the most beautiful states in the country otherwise.

[mysfit]

On 4/16/2024 at 10:00 AM, Orange said:

Idaho is a shithole.  Alabama of the west.

Too bad, because it is one of the most beautiful states in the country otherwise.

Parts of Idaho yes that's true. Just as in any state, Oregon California etc, the urban areas are more liberal while rural areas are more conservative. 

 

I can't wait to leave Idaho. 

[utenation]

Well, looks like the 18 year old adult is getting off with just a slap on the wrist. No charges.  You have to prove “ probable cause” with a person that admitted what he did? And we’re worried about his 1st amendment rights? The person that yelled racial and sexual slander to women? How the fuck does that work? 
 

Speaking to plenty of Idaho residents on another board, this area of Idaho is ran by redneck KKK extremist types and the residents are just fine with this crap.  
 

What a scumbag haven shithole.  The Utes will never go back to this sewer.  This was the NCAA’s choice for hotels. We didn’t have a choice. 
 
I don’t think I’ll live long enough to see the NCAA not be toothless. 
 

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2024/05/07/no-charges-utah-womens-basketball-racial-slurs-case-18-year-old-male/

[EastCoastFan]

Outside of northern Idaho's long-standing problems, the underlying problem with this has been how the NCAA runs the women's tournament.  With the men's tourney, the playing sites and dates are chosen well in advance, so team hotel accomodations close to the playing arena are locked down early.  The women, however, play the opeing  games on the home court of the highest seeds, unknown in some cases until selection Sunday.  In this case, Gonzaga found themselves in a pre-arranged Spokane hotel sell-out for another activity, so, at the last minuite, they had to ship the visiting teams out of town.  This problem should be solved next year, when the women's tourney is likely to nail down opening venues (and accommodations) in advance, the way the men's tourney is run.

[utenation]

@Orange, can you possibly explain to me why there was insufficient evidence to establish probable cause leading to no charges? 
 

The dirtbag admitted it. What more do they need?  They further said they couldn’t establish intended harassment. He admitted it.  I’m guessing they are tying this to the original charging document and something went wrong there. There was video evidence but lack of audio? But he admitted it. 
 

The other two charges they were considering were disorderly conduct and disturbing the peace.  I guess ripping up and down main street at night in a loud shitbox truck screaming the N word and more at women leaving a restaurant is peaceful, normal behavior. LMAO.  And by god, we don’t want to step on this young man’s pillar of the community First Amendment toes. 
 

The biggest joke in this was the save face press conference at the start of this by the local Barney Fife and buddies telling everyone on camera that they will get to the bottom of this terrible and malicious incident and use justice to put these terrible people behind bars. 
 

It’s no wonder there is an ongoing problem in this area of Idaho. It looks to me like Prosecutor Ryan Hunter is on the payroll of the local KKK Grand Wizard. 

[Orange]

On 5/8/2024 at 8:54 AM, utenation said:

@Orange, can you possibly explain to me why there was insufficient evidence to establish probable cause leading to no charges? 
 

The dirtbag admitted it. What more do they need?  They further said they couldn’t establish intended harassment. He admitted it.  I’m guessing they are tying this to the original charging document and something went wrong there. There was video evidence but lack of audio? But he admitted it. 
 

The other two charges they were considering were disorderly conduct and disturbing the peace.  I guess ripping up and down main street at night in a loud shitbox truck screaming the N word and more at women leaving a restaurant is peaceful, normal behavior. LMAO.  And by god, we don’t want to step on this young man’s pillar of the community First Amendment toes. 
 

The biggest joke in this was the save face press conference at the start of this by the local Barney Fife and buddies telling everyone on camera that they will get to the bottom of this terrible and malicious incident and use justice to put these terrible people behind bars. 
 

It’s no wonder there is an ongoing problem in this area of Idaho. It looks to me like Prosecutor Ryan Hunter is on the payroll of the local KKK Grand Wizard. 

I'm with you on the outrage.  Legally speaking, I'm not sure what the statutes in Idaho say about Harassment or Dis Con, but in Oregon, merely shouting words at anyone doesn't constitute a crime, absent any other actions (like shoving people, throwing things, blocking a pedestrian access/roadway/disturbing a house/private business, threatening harm, etc.).  I've had clients warned they're in danger of being arrested for dis con because they're drunk, shouting threatening things, and refuse to back down after being told to leave, but it usually has to be pretty bad for an arrest (or they are usually trespassed from a business, then refuse to leave, and the charge is criminal trespass).

In America, driving a car is Amurrikan, and hotrodding down the gut is amurrikan, and the cops are like Hannah Montana to the Nazis' Miley Cyrus, so that's another hurdle to justice here. 

[Orange]

Unfortunately, the city prosecutor is abiding by the law, if this much is true...

"

Hunter wrote there was “insufficient evidence” to establish malicious harassment — or “with a specific intent to intimidate or harass any specific person” — in the man’s conduct. As for the other two charges, he also concluded the 18-year-old’s actions didn’t rise to the level of pursuing prosecution under state or city criminal code.

“What has been clear from the very outset of this incident is that it was not when or where or how (the accused) made the grotesque racial statement that caused the justifiable outrage in this case; it was the grotesque racial statement itself,” Hunter wrote.

“Thus, any attempt to prosecute (him) for either disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct would inevitably rely on the content of what he said to establish either crime, which would clearly violate (his) free speech rights as contemplated under both the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and … the Idaho Constitution.”

 

[utenation]

On 5/9/2024 at 10:11 AM, Orange said:

Unfortunately, the city prosecutor is abiding by the law, if this much is true...

"

Hunter wrote there was “insufficient evidence” to establish malicious harassment — or “with a specific intent to intimidate or harass any specific person” — in the man’s conduct. As for the other two charges, he also concluded the 18-year-old’s actions didn’t rise to the level of pursuing prosecution under state or city criminal code.

“What has been clear from the very outset of this incident is that it was not when or where or how (the accused) made the grotesque racial statement that caused the justifiable outrage in this case; it was the grotesque racial statement itself,” Hunter wrote.

“Thus, any attempt to prosecute (him) for either disturbing the peace or disorderly conduct would inevitably rely on the content of what he said to establish either crime, which would clearly violate (his) free speech rights as contemplated under both the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and … the Idaho Constitution.”

 

I wanted your legal opinion. Thank you. 
 

The part I have an issue with is: Malicious harassment. What exactly is a racial slur with premeditated intent? 
 

Something tells me it’s not the first or last time these “good citizens” have done this. Especially since there are no consequences and a green light to do it again.  Because it’s very crucial to protect 1st amendment rights of a dickhead rather than 40 young women that suffered emotional distress to the point of shock and crying. 
 

When this started I did some research on the area and the problems they have. 
 

We have shooting mothers and kids as hostages and bombing the house of investigators looking at extremism in the area.  You can’t tell me the boys haven’t refilled the ranks since the last set of problems. 

I guess we need to wait for a team hotel to be set on fire or someone died because these morons lobbed  a Molotov cocktail through the window of a restaurant to take these issues seriously. 

https://cdapress.com/news/2024/mar/27/stewart-racism-still-a-problem/

[Orange]

It’s the era of MAGA and Rittenhouse and Margerine Taylor Nazi and Elon’s white supremacy.   Kids like this are emboldened to be the shittiest people on the planet with no consequences.  You are right, this could easily escalate to someone getting killed.  Jim Crow is back.