Picking Up The Pieces

[Orange]

On 8/15/2023 at 8:06 AM, PAC MAN said:

 

NFL owners investing into college football...aren't the NFL owners too cheap to do that?  I think it would be that ESPN minor league and that Fox minor league.  Maybe NBC and CBS will step in as well.  Apple could do the west coast in that case.

 

If all sports were to return to the PAC, I think it's doubtful that CU returns to the PAC except for women's lacrosse unless they decide to stay in the AAC, Big East, or Big Ten for that sport.

Hence why I allowed for another Pac-10 era. 

[Trojan209]

On 8/14/2023 at 2:31 PM, EastCoastFan said:

Given where we are, what would you like to see the landing spot for the Beavs?

As for me, I'm down on college football.  Everything's a mess.  Duck volleyball players are going to be shipped to mid-week College Park matches, Husky golfers will be in Piscataway, NJ on Thursdays, UCLA's track squad will be at State College, etc., etc.  All of this has to do with football, with only four or five conference away games a year, all on Saturdays.  Every other sport and every other athlete will pay the price.

I get the argument to a point. But certain sports including the ones you mentioned like golf and track and cross country don’t have structured conference competition and typically already compete all over the country. Impacted sports like volleyball, soccer, tennis, lacrosse and gymnastics may struggle depending on how they structure conference play. I can see the argument for baseball and softball but they do play 3 game series and this past season USC was going to cancel their series with Auburn due to all the rain but instead moved it on the fly to Auburn. I feel like rather than play bigger non-conference series we’ll see more local series to account for the extra travel during conference play. 

[Bison]

On 8/15/2023 at 10:14 AM, Orange said:

Hence why I allowed for another Pac-10 era. 

Don talked about the old Pac-8 a few times here and I have the old Big 8 to fall back on.  I think the PAC will be back in some form but who knows what it will be like?  Suppose Arizona enjoys playing basketball in the Big 12...will they be back?

[clpp01]

On 8/15/2023 at 4:03 PM, PAC MAN said:

Don talked about the old Pac-8 a few times here and I have the old Big 8 to fall back on.  I think the PAC will be back in some form but who knows what it will be like?  Suppose Arizona enjoys playing basketball in the Big 12...will they be back?

Basketball isn't going to be immune to the cash grab.  It is only a matter of time before they try to wrest control of the tournament from the NCAA.  If there is a snap back to regionalism then it will be centered around the non-revenue sports.

[Bison]

On 8/15/2023 at 7:54 PM, clpp01 said:

Basketball isn't going to be immune to the cash grab.  It is only a matter of time before they try to wrest control of the tournament from the NCAA.  If there is a snap back to regionalism then it will be centered around the non-revenue sports.

Yormark talked about basketball having its own media rights deal and I have the assumption that football will have its own media rights deal too.  Could be seperate conferences for football, basketball, and the rest of Oly sports.

[Mano]

Is this guy just a troll, or is there any validity here?

 

 

 

[clpp01]

On 8/15/2023 at 9:40 PM, Mano said:

Is this guy just a troll, or is there any validity here?

 

 

 

Stanford being in the same conference as Boise St is something I find about as likely as Notre Dame giving up independence.

Also anything that involves a conference dissolving without all the schools of said conference moving somewhere "up" is usually a pretty telling sign that it is made up.

 

 

[Bison]

On 8/15/2023 at 10:40 PM, Mano said:

Is this guy just a troll, or is there any validity here?

 

 

 

 

 

No way that conference will have 18 teams.  There would be eight teams in the PAC next year to meet the FBS conference requirements and then at least two to four MWC teams in 2025.

If the PAC does not have eight teams for next year, it will have to dissolve.

[clpp01]

On 8/16/2023 at 7:27 AM, PAC MAN said:

 

 

No way that conference will have 18 teams.  There would be eight teams in the PAC next year to meet the FBS conference requirements and then at least two to four MWC teams in 2025.

If the PAC does not have eight teams for next year, it will have to dissolve.

They would have a 2 year grace period to get back up to 8 if needed.

[dtd]

The Big-12 dominated the Pac-12 in NCAA tournament payouts. 

[EastCoastFan]

On 8/16/2023 at 11:46 AM, clpp01 said:

They would have a 2 year grace period to get back up to 8 if needed.

This is interesting.  It would give the Pac-4 a chance to add AAC and MWC members without as high a payout penalty,  SMU, San Diego St, Rice, Navy, Air Force, Army.  Would make an interesting national conference.

[MrBug708]

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2023-08-16/pac-12-collapse-decisions-realignment-ucla-oregon

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/inside-pac-12-collapse-four-182514849.html (Free version)

 

Great read. Looks like UCLA was offered a chance to stay in the PAC12, getting 52 million a year but Oregon said no, that wouldn't work for them. No way could they could in a conference where UCLA got more then they were getting..

[glduck]

We just joined a conference where we’ll make considerably less than UCLA for the foreseeable future.

[row Z]

On 8/17/2023 at 6:21 AM, MrBug708 said:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2023-08-16/pac-12-collapse-decisions-realignment-ucla-oregon

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/inside-pac-12-collapse-four-182514849.html (Free version)

 

Great read. Looks like UCLA was offered a chance to stay in the PAC12, getting 52 million a year but Oregon said no, that wouldn't work for them. No way could they could in a conference where UCLA got more then they were getting..

As I believe i posted before, i thought Kliavkoff was right to try this. Seems like a deal could have been negotiated that started with UCLA at $52, UW and Oregon at $40, maybe $30 for the remainder of the conference. I feel like we all would be in a better spot than we are now. 

[utenation]

On 8/17/2023 at 9:36 AM, row Z said:

As I believe i posted before, i thought Kliavkoff was right to try this. Seems like a deal could have been negotiated that started with UCLA at $52, UW and Oregon at $40, maybe $30 for the remainder of the conference. I feel like we all would be in a better spot than we are now. 

Personally, I don't think UCLA is worth $52 million per.  I think UCLA to the B10 move was to complete the grabbing the rest of the LA media market, also not leaving USC as the lone Western school. UCLA hoops is a valuable product but football is still king. I would pay Oregon $52 million before I would pay UCLA that much.

UCLA football is average at best with terrible attendance. Average TV ratings as well. 

Hindsight is 20/20 and something to keep the conference together seems juicy but if I were Oregon, I would have said no to that deal as well.

[clpp01]

On 8/17/2023 at 10:41 AM, utenation said:

Personally, I don't think UCLA is worth $52 million per.  I think UCLA to the B10 move was to complete the grabbing the rest of the LA media market, also not leaving USC as the lone Western school. UCLA hoops is a valuable product but football is still king. I would pay Oregon $52 million before I would pay UCLA that much.

UCLA football is average at best with terrible attendance. Average TV ratings as well. 

Hindsight is 20/20 and something to keep the conference together seems juicy but if I were Oregon, I would have said no to that deal as well.

Losing the LA market was the kill shot of the Pac-12.  For that reason UCLA even if you belief they aren't worth that much would have had all the leverage in the world to have gone to the Pac and said "we are willing to stay, send me a blank check and I'll write in how much I think is appropriate" and the conference would have been better off to do so.

[utenation]

On 8/17/2023 at 11:59 AM, clpp01 said:

Losing the LA market was the kill shot of the Pac-12.  For that reason UCLA even if you belief they aren't worth that much would have had all the leverage in the world to have gone to the Pac and said "we are willing to stay, send me a blank check and I'll write in how much I think is appropriate" and the conference would have been better off to do so.

Yeah. I agree. Like I said hindsight is 20/20.

[MrBug708]

On 8/17/2023 at 10:59 AM, clpp01 said:

Losing the LA market was the kill shot of the Pac-12.  For that reason UCLA even if you belief they aren't worth that much would have had all the leverage in the world to have gone to the Pac and said "we are willing to stay, send me a blank check and I'll write in how much I think is appropriate" and the conference would have been better off to do so.

Those that think football and attendance have anything to do with the value of media markets are why the P12 is dead. One team got a full share of B10 media rights and the other was thrown a half share lifeline. It's much like Stanford not wanting Oklahoma State in the conference and killing Texas/Oklahoma expansion because of pride. 

[EastCoastFan]

On 8/17/2023 at 9:34 PM, MrBug708 said:

Those that think football and attendance have anything to do with the value of media markets are why the P12 is dead. One team got a full share of B10 media rights and the other was thrown a half share lifeline. It's much like Stanford not wanting Oklahoma State in the conference and killing Texas/Oklahoma expansion because of pride. 

Tuscaloosa must be some rockn' media market.

[dtd]

On 8/17/2023 at 8:21 AM, MrBug708 said:

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2023-08-16/pac-12-collapse-decisions-realignment-ucla-oregon

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/inside-pac-12-collapse-four-182514849.html (Free version)

 

Great read. Looks like UCLA was offered a chance to stay in the PAC12, getting 52 million a year but Oregon said no, that wouldn't work for them. No way could they could in a conference where UCLA got more then they were getting..

Or 10 teams said no and there's a quote about Oregon. Or somewhere in between. There's no way Oregon was the only one.